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4472 "Flying Scotsman" Derby

Photograph: Courtney Haydon Collection (Y-14-35)
15/12/2010 from Mark Higginson
Looking NE from Goodsmoor Road bridge at SUNNY HILL on the southern outskirts of Derby. The large works in the left background was the Qualcast lawnmower factory (now demolished). 4472 on ?
15/12/2010 from Mark Higginson
It has just occurred to me that 4472 is probably working the Retford to Tyseley (via Sheffield and Derby - dep Derby 11.8am) special which ran on 29 September 1968. This took part in the "Festival of Steam" at Tyseley with, I believe, a run to Leamington and back as part of this.
15/12/2010 from David Walker
Intersting point from Mark Higginson, but not correct. The special he mentions did run, as stated, but 4472 had only one tender at that point. I photographed it at Whitacre Jnction on that occasion, so this must a be later date.
15/12/2010 from Max Birchenough
The plot thickens! There are clearly some gaps in Six Bells' coverage of 4472's activities around this time. However, it certainly did have two tenders at this time, as we have just seen at Trowel, and, of course, it used them for the ECML non-stop runs in May 1968. I can't find anything on Six Bells which might fit this location in 1968 apart from the 29 Sept. run.
16/12/2010 from Mark Higginson
Various sources state that the second tender was available from 1966 (probably late in that year). A post by "Vulcan" at RMweb.co.uk includes the following information: "The second tender appeared in 1966 after it had been overhauled and converted, and whole combination painted (with the green cylinder cover embelishment) at Doncaster. The second tender (No 5332) had been obtained from Aberdeen Ferryhill off none other than 60009 Union of South Africa. It was only used when necessary. As a result when the loco was operating in single tender mode the only place its number was displayed was on the front buffer beam, the cab side having the LNER coat of arms painted on a separate plate and the number being painted on the second tender. This was the livery style she retained until overhauled at Derby works after returning from the USA. Incidently, the corridor tender that is now behind 60009 is No 5484 which the LNER buffs will know started life behind the "Hush Hush" W1 No 10000 and it still has remenants of chrome on the handrails which shows through as the paint wears off".
18/12/2010 from Bevan Price
The November 1968 R.O. contains a report on the Tyseley open day on 29 September 1968, and notes that on the Leamington mini-tour (mentioned by Mark, above), the second tender was detached. So, adding or removing the second tender must have been a fairly easy operation.
10/01/2011 from Syd Hancock
location: Derby
I can confirm that Mark's comments regarding the location and the train are correct. It was indeed 4472 en route to Tyseley from Retford on the 29th September 1968. Also Bevan is correct saying that the second tender was removed for the run to Leamington. I accompanied the photographer on this trip and stood next to him as he took the shot at Derby. We then went to Tyseley for the exhibition and also to Acocks Green where we saw the Leamington run.I have my own photos taken at the time and that taken at Derby is almost identical to the one displayed here.
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