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Peter Hall
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Carriage Conundrums Updates

Post by Peter Hall » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:00 pm

A contributor to the 'Carriage Conundrums' feature on the Society website has asked how he can be alerted to minor changes to the various dilemmas. One idea put forward has been a thread in this forum. Thus, here it is! Any minor changes not specifically mentioned in their own thread will be included in this one.

So to get things underway it might be worth mentioning the most recent major change which is the adding of the 'Fisons Weedkilling Trains' conundrum http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/carriag ... ges/Fisons Although the conundrum is the originally identities of the LMSR design carriages used in the trains also included is an increasing amount of detail and pictures of the trains themselves. Further contributions would be most welcomed.

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Re: Carriage Conundrums Updates

Post by pdeaves » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:42 pm

As a general comment, if people want to know about changes to specific web pages I recommend a free service like http://www.watchthatpage.com/. Once you've added the pages (such as http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/carriages/) in which you have an interest you get daily emails telling you which pages have changed (and what the change is). Of course, report changes here, but the automatic service makes sure that anything you (or anyone else) forgets to report is captured.

Other similar services exist.

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Fisons Weedkilling Trains

Post by Peter Hall » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:12 pm

Only been live a few days and I have already received an amazing picture of the BR NER Weedkiliing Train taken in 1962. This and an update regarding the BR NER/ER train have now been added to http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/carriag ... ges/Fisons

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LNER CCT at Gunnislake

Post by Peter Hall » Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:18 pm

A minor update has been made at http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/carriag ... posalslner to the disposal information for LNER CCT 1287. The chassis of this of course still remains at the West Somerset Railway where its body was soon broken up after arrival in 1975. It is know that this transferred to Internal User stock as 064809 at Plymouth Millbay in 1968 and is shown as such on the appropriate Internal User listing http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/carriag ... ternaluser Something that had always troubled though was where it had been from c1969 when Plymouth Millbay carriage sidings closed and it moving to the West Somerset Railway. Today I have become aware that it was actually located at Gunnislake prior to moving to the West Somerset Railway and of the antics required to extract it. Thus, did anyone who visited Gunnislake in the early 1970s take a picture of it there that could be used on the society website perhaps inadvertently whilst photographing a DMU.

064809 (LNER CCT 1287) is arguably a contender for the item of internal use coaching stock in the most unusual location. A strong rival is 096039 (GWR 'Collett' BG 130) at Thurso, again did anyone take a picture of that perhaps inadvertently whilst photographing a Class 26?

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Re: Carriage Conundrums Updates

Post by MisterC » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:40 pm

I can add some more about Fisons and their weedkilling trains.

The main Fisons site was on the east side of the A10 in Hauxton, between the Church Road turn and the river. Offices and laboratories were at the front of the site and pesticide manufacturing took place there.

When not in use the weedkilling train was kept in a siding adjacent to the up line at Foxton, on the Shepreth side of the level crossings (the Cambridge and Barrington roads had separate level crossings at Foxton in those days).

The siding at Foxton was removed as part of the track rationalisation that preceded Cambridge area resignalling, that's why the weedkilling train moved to Chesterton Junction.

The Fisons site in Hauxton closed in 2004 and the remaining part of what was by then Bayer Crop Science moved to the Cambridge Science Park, ironically not far from Chesterton Junction. The land at Hauxton was contaminated and redevelopment only commenced recently.

Not having paid much attention to coaching stock in those days, I can't help much on the train itself, apart from FA99900 because it was ex E56315. FA99900 arrived at Cambridge on 22 March 1975 in the consist of 5P07 Lincoln-Cambridge ecs, a train the frequently conveyed ex works dmu cars from Doncaster Works returning to Norwich, Cambridge or Stratford. 5P07 was a continuation of 2D70 0555 Doncaster to Lincoln. However, I was told at the time that E56315 was converted not at Doncaster but at Glasgow Works. After spending the weekend at Cambridge FA99900 first arrived at Foxton on 25 March 1975.

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Re: Fisons Weedkilling Trains

Post by Peter Hall » Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:17 pm

Thanks MisterC for your interesting comments about the Fisons trains. These are now incorporated into the conundrum.

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Re: Carriage Conundrums Updates

Post by MisterC » Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:35 pm

Two interesting documents about the Fisons weedkilling train have today been posted on flickr, relating to a trip to Buxton on 12 August 1980.

STN here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/deadmans_ ... 216495116/

Guard's journal here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/deadmans_ ... 216394656/

And here's a pic at Oakleigh 2 days later:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/deadmans_ ... 571767950/

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The Anglers Arms, Weldon Bridge

Post by Peter Hall » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:48 pm

A minor update regarding carriage Mark 1 SK 24396 has been made to http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/carriag ... ls/brmk1pc Apparently, this carriage that had been used at Weldon Bridge as a restaurant, was not broken up on site in 2013 but was actually taken away by road for scrap. It is not though known exactly where it was scraped. That is, unless someone reading this knows.

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BR NE Region Weedkilling Train

Post by Peter Hall » Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:46 pm

The Carriage Conundrum covering the Fisons and BR Eastern Region Weedkilling trains has been today updated to give more details about the BR NE Region train. This can be found at http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/carriag ... ges/Fisons We are very grateful to Michael Wild for providing the new information.

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LMSR BGZ and LNER BZ disposals

Post by Peter Hall » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:17 am

Although the intention, initially at least, was just to list the disposals of Grouping design bogied NPCCS that survived into the 1970's I have been persuaded to also include the six-wheel passenger brakes that survived into that period. These can be found at http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/carriag ... zdisposals and http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/carriag ... zdisposals As with the others there are quite a few gaps as well as some queries, No rush but if anyone does have any information that would add, correct or clarify what we have please get in touch. Also pictures of the vehicles, particularly when they were in BR service would be very much welcomed. Perhaps you even have a BZ body at the bottom of your garden that we don't know about!

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