ECML Dragged Trains

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Peter Hall
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SHOCK NEWS - RCTS MEMBER HAS CAMERA!

Post by Peter Hall » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:36 pm

After many appeals I am pleased to say that a member has been able to embrace the new technology of photography! Consequently we have two different pictures of the current session of drags on the website one of which is now being used as the link. Our thanks to member Andy Barclay for this technological breakthrough.

Apologies if things are not working properly with some if the return links on the Sheffield Branch and Features ECML Draggs pages. I have been meddling with the usual disastrous consequences! Fortunately the acting webmaster is on the case.

Peter Hall
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WINTER 2017 DRAGS

Post by Peter Hall » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:32 am

Just added to the ECML Drags pages of the website are details of what is provisionally planned for February 2017 http://www.rcts.org.uk/branches/sheffie ... 20winter17 Trains involved will be diverted between Hitchin and Peterborough via Cambridge and Ely.

There is some debate about whether planned dragging has ever previously taken place via this route, we have none recorded on the website. It is though understood some unplanned dragging has taken place previously. Perhaps someone with knowledge of this can elaborate?

MisterC
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Re: ECML Dragged Trains

Post by MisterC » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:36 am

When I grew up in Cambridge ECML diversions were a regular feature, usually 4 weeks in April and 4 weeks in September. Some pictures from the 1970s are here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrc31176/ ... 3302768149

I think they carried on through the 1980s though by then all the daytime trains were HSTs.

There has been booked drags, in October 1989, when the class 91s were new and working on MarkIIIs with HSTs as DVTs. Some pictures are here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrc31176/ ... 4624733004

I have a full list of the diesel locos that did the dragging but don't have full information on the class 91s that were dragged.

After privatisation diversions ceased. I think the first operators to restart diversions via Cambridge were Hull Trains and Grand Central in 2008, possibly the only time that Meridians crossed the Meridian into the Eastern Hemisphere.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrc31176/ ... 6725824015

The first EC diversions via Cambridge were emergencies I think on 21 December 2010, I don't know how they were crewed. EC Kings Cross drivers learnt via Cambridge in 2012 using a class 67 light engine (the path is still in RTT on Fridays) and the first planned diversions were in March 2012 and further diversions in June and July 2012, the latter for installation of the main spans of the Hitchin Flyover.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrc31176/ ... 0002705718

We have had Sunday morning diversions via Cambridge in the early part of the year every year since then, plus various emergency diversions. However all the EC trains on booked diversions have been HSTs.

There's 3 known drags via Cambridge in emergencies in the "modern era"

25/08/14 67005 dragged 91113 on 1N35 I think this was 2200 KGX-NCL.
26/08/14 67005 dragged 91128 on previous night's 1Y53 I think this was 2115 NCL-KGX (it passed Royston at 0405!)
28/03/16 67021 dragged 91110 on 1S18 1300 KGX-EDB after a dewirement at St Neots.

Train Spotter
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Re: ECML Dragged Trains

Post by Train Spotter » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:37 pm

Fantastic Mister C especially those 1979 pictures of the HSTs

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Re: 1989 Dragged Trains via Cambridge

Post by Peter Hall » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:58 pm

I would very much like to include the 1989 trains via Cambridge. In fact one of the goals is to include all the planned drags since electrification although available records of the early years are sparse. We have not normally included the number of the dragged locomotive, just the number of the locomotive doing the dragging and the train. If MisterC could let me have the information with a picture that can be used as link and header that would be very much appreciated.

The ECML Draggs return links are I am afraid playing up again. This is probably a result of my meddling but I daren't try and sort it myself as this is sure to end in disaster Hopefully one of our technical wizards can sort it out in due course.

Ian Prince
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Re: ECML Dragged Trains

Post by Ian Prince » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:54 pm

Around the 2017 New Year break, the ECML had a second Cl. 91 doing the dragging running in reverse mode coupled directly to the train Cl. 91, with the DVT removed from the formation altogether. Seen on more than one occasion in both directions at Retford.

Just carriage doors visible on the rear, when heading in the Up direction! A rarity nowadays.

Not sure of reason, but presume lack of engineering staff to carry out repairs may have been part of cause for the scratch formation?

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1989 Dragged Trains via Cambridge

Post by Peter Hall » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:23 pm

Very many thanks to MisterC who has spent much time sorting his notes about the October 1989 drags through Cambridge. These have now been added to the ECML Drags feature on the website. Very interesting indeed, as well as Class 47s several 31s were also involved and 89001 was dragged as well as the more usual 91s. Further pictures of these drags would be most welcomed.

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Re: 1989 Dragged Trains via Cambridge

Post by Train Spotter » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:49 pm

Peter Hall wrote:Very many thanks to MisterC who has spent much time sorting his notes about the October 1989 drags through Cambridge. These have now been added to the ECML Drags feature on the website. Very interesting indeed, as well as Class 47s several 31s were also involved and 89001 was dragged as well as the more usual 91s. Further pictures of these drags would be most welcomed.
As MisterC got any information on any HSTs that will have been diverted during these October 1989 diversions by Cambridge.... Any information will be great fully received
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MisterC
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Re: ECML Dragged Trains

Post by MisterC » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:49 am

I do have some information on the diverted HSTs, in nearly all cases just the power cars, but it is incomplete and spread through at least 3 different sources, so it will be time consuming to extract, collate and check. In contrast the dragging locos for the 1989 diversions were already neatly laid out in a table on one page so took less than an hour to put into a spreadsheet, and Peter was also able to get the gen up on the web very quickly here:

http://www.rcts.org.uk/branches/sheffie ... ECMLDraggs October1989

There's one misunderstanding there which I may as well address now. On Sunday 08/10/89 47508 worked 1D40 1410 KGX-DON and 1A27 1750 DON-KGX throughout. 47413 piloted 1D40 Hitchin to Peterborough and 1A27 Peterborough to Hitchin, as if it were dragging an electric loco, even though the train loco was a diesel. Here's a not very good pic of 47413 and 47508 on 1D40 at Shepreth:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrc31176/9275828155/

The next priority for diversions is to do the 1991 Lincoln drags, which are also already in a table. That will be when I can find a slot in between keeping up with all the current emu changes here in GN land and making progress with my class 31 research (I had to cancel a trip to Kew last week due to the bad weather, but used the time instead for another look at the nightmare world of EQ brakes).

But if there's any specific HST stuff, that you would like to know, and I can look up quickly, I will try to oblige!

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Re: ECML Dragged Trains

Post by Train Spotter » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:21 pm

MisterC wrote:I do have some information on the diverted HSTs, in nearly all cases just the power cars, but it is incomplete and spread through at least 3 different sources, so it will be time consuming to extract, collate and check. In contrast the dragging locos for the 1989 diversions were already neatly laid out in a table on one page so took less than an hour to put into a spreadsheet, and Peter was also able to get the gen up on the web very quickly here:

http://www.rcts.org.uk/branches/sheffie ... ECMLDraggs October1989

There's one misunderstanding there which I may as well address now. On Sunday 08/10/89 47508 worked 1D40 1410 KGX-DON and 1A27 1750 DON-KGX throughout. 47413 piloted 1D40 Hitchin to Peterborough and 1A27 Peterborough to Hitchin, as if it were dragging an electric loco, even though the train loco was a diesel. Here's a not very good pic of 47413 and 47508 on 1D40 at Shepreth:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrc31176/9275828155/

The next priority for diversions is to do the 1991 Lincoln drags, which are also already in a table. That will be when I can find a slot in between keeping up with all the current emu changes here in GN land and making progress with my class 31 research (I had to cancel a trip to Kew last week due to the bad weather, but used the time instead for another look at the nightmare world of EQ brakes).

But if there's any specific HST stuff, that you would like to know, and I can look up quickly, I will try to oblige!
Evening MisterC

Thanks for your reply to my request for any HST diversions via Cambridge in October 1989. If you find the time I would appreciate any info to do with the diversions if it takes 6 months or longer that's fine..... If you've got any other HST observations they would be welcome to as I'm trying to find any observations for HST especially during the early years as it very rare as most enthusiasts just wrote down 3 words HST so any help you can provide that would be most welcome take as long as you like I'm in no rush as this is a long term project... I've already had a few people come up with some information..... The oldest observations I've got go back to 1983

Thanks
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